December 3rd, 2012

AMD Radeon HD 8000 Series Specifications (Analysis)

Radeon HD 8000 Series	Radeon HD 8990	Radeon HD 8970	Radeon HD 8950	Radeon HD 8870	Radeon HD 8850	Radeon HD 8770	Radeon HD 8750
GPU	Venus XTX	Venus XT	Venus Pro	Oland XT	Oland Pro	Mars XT	Mars Pro
Transistors Count	~10 billion	5.1 billion	5.1 billion	3.4 billion	3.4 billion	2.1 billion	2.1 billion
Stream Processors	5120	2560	2304	1792	1536	896	768
TMUs	320	160	144	112	96	48	40
ROPs	96	48	48	32	32	16	16
Memory Bus Width	768-bit	384-bit	384-bit	256-bit	256-bit	192-bit	192-bit
Base GPU Clock	950 MHz	1050 MHz	1050 MHz	1000 MHz	925 MHz	850 MHz	800 MHz
Boost GPU Clock	1050 MHz	1100 MHz	1100 MHz	1050 MHz	975 MHz	-	-
Memory Clock	1250 MHz	1500 MHz	1350 MHz	1500 MHz	1250 MHz	1150 MHz	1150 MHz
Effective Mem. Clock	5000 MHz	6000 MHz	5400 MHz	6000 MHz	5000 MHz	4600 MHz	4600 MHz
TDP	350 W	260 W	210 W	160 W	130 W	80 W	60 W

In my previous post I compared multiple Radeon HD Series and concluded a possible Radeon HD 8970 specification. It turned out to be a good kick start for other sites to speculate the details further to reveal possible performance of cards coming with Radeon HD 8000 series.

The site called BitDreams (let’s hope these are not just dreams) prepared a list of all Radeon HD 8000 graphics cards. The list even includes the Radeon HD 8990, which after all the fuss around the Radeon HD 7990, doesn’t look very probable. But let’s assume that AMD will be able to prepare such card, since we are expecting a real counterpart for the GeForce GTX 790, or don’t we?

AMD Radeon HD 8990 Specifications

According to this prediction, the Radeon HD 8990 would feature two Venus XT GPUs with 2560 stream processors each, totalling 5120 cores. Here I have to point out one fact, if you read my prediction post closely, then you will find many similarities to those specs — actually the HD 8970 specs are just a copy of it. But despite that, we can assume that these details are based on my long research and comparisons. I cannot say if these are valid, but the data should be correct. Back to the HD 8990, AMD might equip this card with 320 Texture Mapping Units and 96 Raster Operating Units — that would really be a monster, probably the only card that would handle Crisis 3 in full glory. Assuming that each Venus XT GPU would be tied to a 384-bit wide interface, this card should have 768-bit, just like the Radeon HD 7990. Radeon HD 8000 series would probably be the first generation to support PowerTune Boost technology out of the box. So in this part I cannot agree with those specs, since these only mention one frequency of the processor. The Radeon HD 8990 might not reach the one GHz mark here, but it should be somewhere close. If any manufacturer comes up with a custom model, then it’s more than possible to see GHz Editions of HD 8990. The next dual-gpu card from the Radeon family would end up with 6 GB of memory, there is no point in equipping a consumer card with a higher capacity at the moment. Almost no current game is capable of utilizing such a memory buffer, that’s if we consider a single monitor configuration and a game without mods. In terms of maximum power draw, this card would be nothing less than your mom’s hair-dryer. If the specs are valid then we are expecting at least 375 Watts, however if AMD is really looking to earn some money, they should really work with the level of power consumption. No one is going to buy such card, especially considering the $1000 price of current HD 7990 cards, which would likely follow with HD 8990.

AMD Radeon HD 8970 Specifications

As already stated, the specs mentioned in the source’s table is straight from my prediction post. Let’s bring them up once again, the Radeon HD 8970 powered by a single Venus XT might end up with 2560 stream processors (25% increase in comparison to HD 7970). However, this is an optimistic assumption. This card might be equipped with 2304 as well, it all depends on the die size (which almost certainly will be higher) and how many Compute Units this gpu can hold. The most optimistic variant says its 40 CUs, while the worst case scenario is 36 (2304 stream processors). The Radeon HD 8970 would feature the same memory configuration from the HD 7970 — 3GB with 384-bit. However, don’t be surprised if it ends up with 4GB, these days marketing plays a main role. The Radeon HD 8970 should feature GHz clock as the base and 1050 MHz as the boost state. What is almost certain is at least 6GHz for memory.

AMD Radeon HD 8950 Specifications

The Radeon HD 8950, which should be an interesting card to look at next year, is based on Venus Pro. The optimistic speculator says it has 2304 stream processors on board, however the real scenario would be 2048 SPs, just like current HD 7970. Venus Pro should be clocked near the GHz level, that’s if AMD decides to launch a GHz Edition in the very first day. In other words the main difference between the flagship model and this one is SPs count. Memory configuration should be the same. The lower number of cores and slightly lower clocks will cause the card to run at a lowerTDP. According to BitDreams it might be 210W, which I find hard to believe.

AMD Radeon HD 8870 Specifications

Almost two months ago, a site called read2ch, which successfully predicted the Radeon HD 7900 specs, posted the details of Radeon HD 8800 series. It was a great stimulus to discuss the next series (it was the most popular post at VideoCardz by the way, but Keith’s OCing Apps article is the best — Keith). So it’s not shocking that those specs ended up in the table from the source. As a side note, we are not sure how to call the HD 8800 series GPU at this point. I prefer to call it Oland, but the source is calling it “Sun”. We have Venus, Oland, Sun and Mars in all previous rumors. It’s not hard to guess which one does not fit here, Oland is an island in Sweden, neither a planet nor a star. But let’s get back to the specs. The card should feature at least 1792 SPs (this is new information). Radeon HD 7870 has 1280 SPs, while the Tahiti LE Edition has 1536, so it’s not a shocking number and actually is quite possible. The source says that the memory clock of this card is 1500 MHz, since this is the fastest mid-range card of upcoming series this frequency looks valid (that’s 6GHz effective speed (if you didn’t manage to multiply it by 4 already)). The source assumes that this time AMD would launch the HD 8800 series first from the next generation (Q1 2013), but considering the latest rumors this might not be true at all.

AMD Radeon HD 8850 Specifications

The Radeon HD 8850 might just be the most popular card of HD 8000 series. This card comes packed with 1536 stream processors, 96 TMUs and 32 ROPs; might be a great solution for a weekend gamer. According to previous leaks, this card might not feature clock speeds beyond the level of one GHz. Assuming that the previous leaks were at least probable then we are looking at 925 MHz clocks. Both Radeon HD 8870 and HD 8850 should be equipped with 2GB and 256-bit interface. You can find more details in the post I mentioned earlier. Currently, there are no other leaks regarding Radeon HD 8800 series.

AMD Radeon HD 8770 Specifications

The Radeon HD 8700 series will likely be the last one we see next year from AMD. Radeon HD 8770, the fastest card from this ‘almost mid-range’ segment could feature 896 SPs. This series might be the most crippled ones with a 192-bit interface. The assumption would be that the HD 8770 aims at the current GeForce GTX 660/660Ti series. There are many similarities between these cards. Such interface lacks performance in full-HD gaming with anti-aliasing enabled, however if you are not really that interested in image quality and you prefer an acceptable price, rather than a $300 graphics card, this might just be the model for you.

AMD Radeon HD 8750 Specifications

The Mars Pro or Oland Pro, if you prefer, might come with 768 SPs. Both Radeon HD 8770 and 8750 graphics cards could arrive with just 16 ROPs. That’s very important information, but still based on speculation. For unknown reasons the source claims that these cards would consume up to 250 W. This is obviously a mistake, since both cards should come in the sub 200W category.

The Radeon HD 8000 Series

All 8000 series cards will be based on a 28nm architecture, the die size of each GPU depends on the number of stream processors it holds, along with other variables. Each one of these cards should fully support PCI-Express 3.0 bus, DirectX 11.1 and OpenGL 4.2. The big unknown is the price of these graphics cards. Although I am assuming that raising prices is not the best idea for AMD right now. Even the HD 8800 series leak suggested that the company may even lower them.
There are few interesting facts about the specs in the source’s table. They refer to ATI cards, which as far as I know are a couple of years old. They based their details on my prediction, which is not a bad move, just doesn’t make their assumptions anymore valid. The release dates are probably not valid, the TDP of HD 8700 series are wrong too. And finally there’s no boost clock for HD 8900 series (however they mention it in the very short description).
I did not comment on the compute power of these cards for a reason; it would be a speculation based on speculations. Nevertheless, this might be the most important aspect of the Radeon HD 8000 series, especially if you are a fan of mining.
According to the latest rumors, the Radeon HD 8000 series could be launched in the second quarter of 2013.

Anyway, what do you think about the next Radeon series? Should AMD launch them after NVIDIA’s GeForce 700 Series, or just go ahead and release them giving NVIDIA the option of which GPUs they can hide in the closet this time?

Source: BITDREAMS

Maciej (Edited by Keith)

Author: WhyCry

BestJinjo
1. I think you should label the title “Speculation Analysis” or Prediction Analysis or something that clearly explains this is a pure speculation article on specs.
2. If the power consumption of HD8970 is actually higher than HD7970/Ghz, based on the fact that AMD never made a reference HD7990, I can’t see them making an HD8990 with 350W. That sounds like wishful thinking too. If a single HD8970 has a TDP of 260W, there is no way that 2 such chips will squeeze at 350W without a large reduction in GPU clocks. In your case the difference in GPU boost is just 50mhz. I see that you also don’t think this is probable and I agree that specs for HD8990 sound too good to be true on 28nm.
3. Based on AMD’s reorganization, some rumors are saying HD8000 is delayed to Q2 2013. At this point we have no new information on the specs and whatever you have in those charts is not different from speculations in September 2012. I am not sure there is anything new to discuss. The other thing is Sea Islands should incorporate some rebalancing of the architecture or some improvements in IPC. For example, HD7870 is not far behind a stock HD7950 despite a large deficit in specs and memory bandwidth. Maybe AMD can re-balance the chip and alleviate some bottlenecks in the GCN 1.0 design? Since AMD is rumored to have delayed HD8000 series to Q2, maybe they ran into issues or there are some significant changes to the design to get more efficiency out of it rather than simply slapping more units onto the GPU and making it larger.
4. I am not sure about 48 ROPs. Whenever pixel shading power is improved, the performance leap is gigantic. The difference between HD8950/70 and HD8870 would be huge if these specs are true. In the table HD8950 only uses 50W more power despite 50% more ROPs, way more memory bandwidth and way more shaders compared to HD8870. Yet HD8970 tacks on another 50W for a minimal increase? Doesn’t look right. I am going on a limb here and say AMD is stuck with 32 ROPs for the next round and 48 ROPs will be reserved for 20nm in 2014. If they increase ROPs to 48 next year, I’ll be mind blown. If they do this, I can see them trading in shaders for more ROPs. I can’t see 2560 SPs and 48 ROPs with such a minimal increase in die size and TDP only going up 10W for 8970.
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MOSLER
You’re fogot about HD 8930:
Venus LE
5.1 billion
2048 SIMDs
TMUs: 128
ROPs: 48 (or 40)
Bus: 384- (or 320-) bit
Base: 1000 MHz
Boost: 1050 MHz
Mem. Clock: 5000 MHz
TDP – 185-190 Watts
* * *
HD 8990 – TDP – 350 W – No way…
HD 8970 – TDP – 260 W – No way…
HD 8950 – TDP – 210 W – No way…
It’s more than in previous generation.
* * *
P.S. I hope nVidia make their next generation with 384/320/256-bit buses to increase memory bandwidth. Sometimes it was not enough.
BestJinjo
HD8990 uses 375W of power? Does that come with a free PSU :)?
http://uk.hardware.info/news/31864/possible-specs-amd-radeon-hd-8000-surface
BestJinjo
To get a lot more performance, the power consumption has to increase for both NV and AMD. TDP =! actual real world consumption. TDP is only used as a guidance for OEMs to design cases and cooling solutions for PC components.
For instance, the TDP of HD7970 is 250W but it uses only about 190W of power:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_7950_X2_Boost/26.html
They can still increase real world power consumption to 250W. GTX470 used more than 270W. They would need to redesign the reference cooler though. Even the cooler on GTX480 was not good enough to provide good noise levels. Perhaps they could go with an open-air design like Sapphire Dual-X or Asus DirectCUII, then 250W is easily doable with quiet noise levels.
http://videocardz.com/ WhyCry (VideoCardz.com)
There’s a ton of words like could, might, would, might etc, it’s obvious this is a pure speculation.
I cannot judge at this point what would be the final TDP of HD 8000 series. I just posted those suggested by the source, which doesn’t really look more valid than what we saw earlier.
As for refreshed GCN architecture, I think that’s the exact point of realising HD 8000 series. We got used to this scheme, manufacturers launch their first batch of new gpu process, with just enough performance to sell those chips on the market. Later on to release a real GPUs, which technically could be launched a year before and everyone was expecting months ago.
As for the ROPs, this is a pure speculation. It’s based on my prediction from previous post, doesn’t necessarily mean this could happen (however the trend suggest it at least possible). This might be 40 too. However these days are not the best for AMD, they need a real graphics card, which would introduce a great performance or could be unlocked with some hidden pipelines. They might also go exactly opposite way than NVIDIA, by allowing their AIB partners to modify their reference cards any way they want, not by limiting voltage control like NVIDIA does.
jarfin
TOTALLY amd’s b-shit and just want wake up ppl hope to amd ‘new time’
everynoe knows that amd will be turned down just bfore summer 2013,its has 500 000 000 death and money not coming anywhere. fact.
8000 series specs are just high that amd publish to be ‘sure’ ppl belive it.
just example one quesions,where,how its get cash to build thouse card,and not for least,do they planning totally new design,bcoz hardware particle almost triple,but power hungry for card is same.
totally crap and usual amd cheat for buying ppl.
amd:shame! and wake up real life!
BestJinjo
1. AMD already went the opposite of NV by allowing voltage control on all their cards. This did nothing for them this round as few gamers are like us who unlock GPUs or overclock and even fewer overclock with voltage control. In fact, HD6950 @ 6970 speeds came within 15-20% of GTX580 for $200 less and at 1600P it was within 5%. That still did little to help AMD.
2. The answer to #1 is pretty obvious when you realize that the amount of graphics cards that sell above $299 is just 10%. When you say AMD needs a “real” graphics card, the market share data is fought in the $299 and below area, and high-end graphics cards do not mean much for making $. It’s a tiny market. Also, HD7970Ghz already beat GTX680 this round and AMD keeps losing market share, while 1Ghz HD7970 offers similar performance to GTX680 for less $ and HD7950 V2 is just 2% slower than GTX670 for way less $. So why is it AMD is losing market share? The enthusiast market is tiny as a fraction of total GPUs sold. AMD would be better off focusing on HD8750/8770/8850 cards if they only cared about $ or market share. Even if HD8970 somehow beat GTX780 by 20% (just using as an example), it would do almost nothing for their market share. In addition, the notebook dGPU market is where a lot of $ is made selling crappy GPUs like GT640/650/650Ti/660 and so on. AMD got killed in those budget segments.
BestJinjo
Your post is counter-intuitive. Why would AMD release those specs as it would result in the Osborne Effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
If you follow the original link to BitDreams, there are a ton of errors too. Double precision #s don’t make sense, HD8950 has 140 TMUs – impossible. The math doesn’t add up for HD8950 = 1050mhz x 2304 SP x 2 operations per clock = 4.84 Gflops single precision. The chart has 4.5 for the same specs. Bandwidth calculation for 8900 series its also way off. It’s obviously a made up chart and has nothing to do with AMD releasing it. Of course based on your anti-AMD post, you managed to spin it as AMD cheating people.
Your other comment that “everyone knows AMD will be dead with no $” shows you don’t know what you are talking about. AMD can always tap its largest shareholder for more $ if necessary. Of course you would have known this if you objectively followed the industry:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-12-03/amd-rises-as-mubadala-investment-eases-liquidity-concerns
BestJinjo
Did you take a closer look at the BitDreams chart? They have big errors. HD8970′s memory bandwidth is 322 GB/sec but 6000mhz @ 384-bit gives me 288GB/sec. HD8950′s TMUs are 140 but it has to be 144 based on the ratio of 1 CU = 4 TMUs in GCN. There are also some issues with total compute power. They report HD8950 to be 4.5 Tflops but 2304 SPs @ 1050mhz is more than 4.8 Tflops. GCN’s double precision is 1/4 of single precision but if you devide HD8970′s 5.38 Tflops by 4 you get 1.345 Tflops and they have 1.6 Tflops. I am guessing whoever made that chart at BitDreams just pulled specs out of their rear end or did it for website hits lol.
http://www.facebook.com/rene.kuhs.7 René Kuhs
Under the 8850 Specs details you constantly mention the 8950 & 8970..? I’m assuming you mean the 8850 & 8870…
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NVIDIA GCC
KEPLER 2XX IS COMIN… nvidia will win the second round as well and they will strike hard…
BestJinjo
NV lost this round bud.
1) Max OC Asus HD7970 Matrix >>> Max OC MSI GTX680 Lightning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJaoY0-kfk8
2) “That said, we have to wonder why anyone would bother with the GeForce GTX 680 4GB for extreme resolutions when the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition was constantly faster at both 5040×1050 and 7680×1600. In fact at 7680×1600 the 7970 GHz Edition was on average 20% faster than the GeForce GTX 680 4GB in the half dozen games that we tested with.”
http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_680_4gb,6.html
3) “Throughout this entire evaluation we consistently found Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition CrossFireX to provide a faster average framerate compared to GTX 680 SLI, in every single game. We even found, that on the whole, single-card HD 7970 GHz Edition video card provided better performance in triple-display gaming. The GeForce GTX 680 struggled a bit in some games at those high 5040×1050 resolutions.”
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/12/04/gtx_680_vs_radeon_hd_7970_multidisplay_showdown/7
4) “Breaking down performance figures at 1920×1200, the GeForce GTX 680 was just ~1% faster than the Radeon HD 7970, while it trailed the 7970 GHz Edition by a 7% margin. This doesn’t change at 2560×1600, where the GeForce GTX 680 is 2% slower than the Radeon HD 7970 and 11% slower than the 7970 GHz Edition, making the 7970 the obvious choice.”
http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/page12.html
5) “While the [Asua HD7970] Matrix Platinum may be at the forefront technological achievement, AMD’s latest driver and game promotions have given ASUS a helping hand. With the performance increases brought about by the 12.11 driver stack, this HD 7970 easily blows by similarly priced GTX 680 cards. When the Platinum’s overclocking prowess is factored into this equation, recommending any of its direct competitors becomes nearly impossible.”
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/57894-asus-hd-7970-3gb-matrix-platinum-edition-review-21.html
6) “Until today, the incredible KFA2 GTX680 Limited OC Edition claimed the ultimate single GPU performance spot, however in the majority of the real world game testing, the Sapphire HD7970 6GB Toxic Edition managed to outperform the overclocked GTX680. The reference clocked GTX680 doesn’t even factor into making a viable challenge. The performance results are unquestionably impressive. In 7 out of 11 tests, The Sapphire HD7970 6GB Toxic Edition outperformed the KFA2 GTX680 Limited OC Edition.”
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/sapphire-hd-7970-6gb-toxic-edition-review/25/
7) “This makes the card 10% faster than the GeForce GTX 680, which is NVIDIA’s fastest single-GPU graphics card.”
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_7970_X_Turbo/28.html
8) ”
A brief history of video cards: 64 GPUs tested from the last five year” HD7970Ghz beats GTX680:
http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/3573/2/a-brief-history-of-video-cards-64-gpus-tested-from-the-last-five-years-3dmark-vantage
9) HD7970 beats GTX680:
http://ht4u.net/reviews/2012/never_settle_amd_radeon-7000-serie_mit_neuen_spielen_und_treiber/index26.php
That’s pretty sufficient evidence to say GTX680 lost this round. I guess when you are a fanboy, you tend to ignore facts?
NVIDIA GCC
no no no no…..see the latest far cry 3 ( amd game) results ….gtx 670 busted the hd 7970 ghz flop editions to dust on ultra see techspot.com……and be a part of kepler family….and dont forget GTX 670 FTW GPU OF THE YEAR..
http://videocardz.com/ WhyCry (VideoCardz.com)
yep thanks for noticing
http://videocardz.com/ WhyCry (VideoCardz.com)
Yes, you are right, but that was not the subject of this post (that’s why there are no bandwidth numbers in the chart).
I mentioned enough errors in the conclusion, so these are just another ones. Quite funny that most of the sites just copy this data without any analysis
emyyhh
Awesome point – that 1fps lead is enough to persuade me to sell my 7970 and ‘upgrade’ to a GTX670. Thanks NVIDIA GCC!!!
BestJinjo – you’re right, But as ever the fanboys can’t see past the facts. We’re all consumers, I don’t get why people have such a strong brand loyalty: BUY WHATEVER IS BEST FOR THE MONEY. I’ve used Nvidia for the last 7 years, but made the switch this gen due to superior price-performance ratio and FPS at the resolution that I play at (2560×1440).
PC`EliTiST
Seriously, forget the 260 and 210W on 8970/50. At the current Ghz cards, they just slightly increased the clocks and power consumption has been skyrocketed. Meanwhile most cards have terrible ASIC quality. Now that they simply add more ROPs, Stream Processors etc… Well… That would be great, but… I don’t see it.
At least I really hope they found what caused all 7000 series to be defective and have problematic DX9. More or less, all DX9 games produce miscalculations-like black artifacts. It’s like we got badly overclocked cards, only that happen on all cards with default clocks. Reason for recall… Just saying…
PC`EliTiST
If they increase real-world power consumption to 250w, then they would have to write at least 300W+ on the whitepaper. Margin is a “must” and 300W+ unacceptable nowadays. Also, I wouldn’t call 190W “only”. They should really keep lowering wattage while increase horsepower. Don’t ask me how, that’s the trend lately on all components and I really like it. Forget those GPUs ( or any component ) that you would need an electric power plant just for your PC.
PC`EliTiST
Osborne effect is very obvious and I understand what do you mean, but given AMD’s bad economic situation, I could expect everything. Do you know exactly what currently is going on with 7000 series GPUs? I guess not… There are many details that we don’t know and thus, I wouldn’t take yours, but neither jarfin’s side on this matter.
The fact is, we have only 2 major GPU manufacturers and we truly cannot afford to lose either one.
*Sigh* — How much I’d like to have options of 4-5 GPU companies, other 4-5 CPU companies etc…
Raghar
More companies, each must pay for employees, more expensive stuff. That’s simple.
BestJinjo
Yup, that’s why I love your site. People here think :)
BestJinjo
There is no magic wand that lets them increase power and drop wattage. It’s simply a move to lower manufacturing nodes which shrinks transistors. Intel reduced power consumption of Core i7 920 to i7-2600K to i7-3770K because they moved from 45nm to 32nm to 22nm but look at the performance difference, it is hardly more than 50%, way less in games. For example, in Far Cry 3, i7-3770K (2012 CPU) is only 17% faster than i7-920 (2008 CPU):
http://www.techspot.com/review/615-far-cry-3-performance/page6.html
You want the same slow progression in the GPU space?
40nm GTX480 (March 2010) = 270W
40nm GTX580 (Nov 2011) = 229W (15-18% faster than 480)
28nm GTX680 (March 2012) = 189W (35% faster than 580)
28nm GTX780 (?) = if you go below power consumption of GTX680, it will probably only manage 15-18% faster again, don’t you want 40-50% faster instead?
The next generation of graphics cards in 2013 are still on 28nm as are 2012 models. Why is 250W too much for an enthusiast $500 GPU? There are mid-range GPUs that only use 100-150W if you care about power consumption. Otherwise, you can skip 2013 GPUs and wait for 20nm in 2014. That’s not a bad move :)
BestJinjo
I am saying AMD wouldn’t leak specs with errors in the chart. Also, why would they leak specs for a GPU line that’s supposedly delayed to Q2 2013? How is that going to help their HD7000 series sales? Shareholders don’t follow GPU specs, they care about timelines and design wins. If AMD said they are delaying HD8000 series to Q2 2013 officially, they might actually be worse for the stock unless they announce some design wins. Also, if AMD leaked specs, it would give NV an idea of where their performance will end up. Why would a company paper launch specs 6-7 months from HD8000 series launch and reveal this information to their competitor?
Regarding your fears that AMD will go bankrupt, they can tap Mubadala Investment arm for $. This is publicly known information. AMD is not going anywhere in the next 12 months at least. The more people spread FUD, the more likely others will stop buying AMD products and that results in a self-fulfilling prophecy based out of FUD to begin with.
BestJinjo
Ya, I read that review. That’s just 1 game and 1 data point. Coincidentally, other reviewers which tested the game with Catalyst 12.11 b11 + CAP 2 are now showing HD7970Ghz beating GTX680:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Far-Cry-3-PC-217540/Tests/Far-Cry-3-Test-Grafikkarten-CPU-Benchmarks-1036726/
or others not only report HD7970Ghz beating GTX670 easily but also that AMD cards have smoother HDAO image quality:
http://gamegpu.ru/action-/-fps-/-tps/far-cry-3-v-102-test-gpu.html
You cannot vote GTX670 FTW as the best GPU of the year when cards like Gigabyte Windforce 2x 670 or Asus DirectCUII are better and especially when AMD cards made $ bitcoin mining which made them ‘free’. I had a hard time considering NV this round given that AMD cards made me $ when not being used for games. A nice little perk.
BestJinjo
emyyhh,
I don’t get it either. I can understand cheering for your country or your sports team but cheering for a GPU brand? If you cheer only for AMD, you would have ended up with turds like HD2900 or 3800 series. If you cheer for NV only, you would have ended up with a real POS FX5000 series and not so stellar GeForce 7. I just reevaluate each generation on its own merits based on performance, price, features, image quality enhancements, game bundles, etc. But even in some years where NV clearly won like GTX580, the price/performance was worse compared to unlocked HD6950 or GTX480 while faster was 6 months late, cost more and was a hot and power hungry monster in reference form. GTX280 was $650 but in less than a year AMD had HD4890 that delivered similar performance for around $260. There were plenty of times where a blind fanboy would get burned hard by NV or AMD.
BestJinjo
Do you have a Sapphire HD7850/7870 card? The issues you describe were related to those cards due to a faulty transistor on the back of the GPU.
PC`EliTiST
No, I’ve 7950 and the issue I describe concern all new 7000 series. If you see the changelog of the latest 12.11 beta 11 drivers, they claim they fixed what I describe, but the issue is still here, intact. And they know it.
BestJinjo
What DX9 games are you having this issue in? I just played HL2 the other day. It worked perfect. Also, what is your socket, 1366 or 2011 (X58/X79 chipset)? I noticed black artifacts in Divine Divinity game demo I played but I read on forums that game is buggy as hell and uninstalled the demo. Are you getting these artifacts in Skyrim or Witcher 2 or Shogun 2 under DX9?
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“Should AMD launch them after NVIDIA’s GeForce 700 Series, or just go ahead and release them?”
If AMD has something revolutionary they should launch first. I think this last launch NVIDIA was surprisingly competitive with lower energy use (for a change) and the adaptive v-sync. They took the lead and forced AMD to lower prices and to finally come out with the 7970 GHz Edition to come back on top. But you know AMD needs the money and they enjoyed the best card title at $549 for what seemed like quite a while before NVIDIA launched. If they had some exclusive GPGPU DirectCompute stuff to promote that could be interesting.
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Just imagine how powerful will be the HD 8970 if you clock it at 1250/1875 (7500 effective) MHz! You’ll get 6400 GFLOP, 60 GigaPixels per second, 200 GigaTexels and 360 GB/sec memory bandwidth! Incredible!

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