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October 12th, 2012

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 To Be Based on GK114 GPU

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 To Be Based on GK114 GPU geforce gtx 780

Ever since NVIDIA first showed us Kepler in its full form as the Tesla K20, people have been asking about a GeForce card based on this silicon, GTX 780. However it was then speculated by OBR-Hardware that there would most likely not be a GeForce GTX 780 GK110 based card. Since then we have heard little, if anything about what GK11x derivative would see the light of day.

SemiAccurate is citing two sources as naming the “big gaming GPU”, meaning the 780, from NVIDIA as the GK114 and the GK114-GX. Similar to AMD, this chip is expected to be late and not see a release until the earliest being March 2013, but S.A. believes April or May is much more likely. Also like AMD, the jump in performance is not supposed to be mind boggling; partially due to die size restraints and in my opinion this is to be expected with Maxwell now on the horizon. If NVIDIAs next GPU release completely demolished the GTX 680, then the market enthusiasm for Maxwell would shrink dramatically when the time comes. So you have Maxwell playing a role most likely in expected performance and you also have AMD, which we wrote on yesterday, expected to jump only by 15%.

All of these factors play into the expected performance of GK114, however unlike AMD, NVIDIA has more room to play in the TDP department. This is due to the highly efficient architecture of Kepler. According to S.A. “those who have been briefed” are also saying NVIDIA is expected to have the same 15% jump in performance over the GTX 680 as was reported on AMD. So basically the next generation of silicon from both NVIDIA and AMD is only expected to gain 15% performance increase over their predecessors. However according to our sources the increase for the GTX 780 would be around 25% over the GTX 680, instead of the 15% S.A. is citing. This may not be the series launch you will tell your grandkids about, but may remind you more of the G92 vs G92b period. The GTX 600 Series was restrained heavily by its small 256-bit Bus, I believe NVIDIA could achieve this 15% increase simply by giving it the bus width seen on Fermi cards, instead of the Bus we saw on the FX5900 Ultra.

Keith H.

  • BestJinjo

    In other words both GTX780 and HD8970 will be a yawn GTX580/HD6970 style refreshes? Sad panda if true.

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  • http://videocardz.com/ VideoCardz.com

    Well it seems so, still Kepler and GCN architecture, but on the steroids.

  • BestJinjo

    15% more is not going to games playable that are unplayable today though. I think it’ll make HD7970 / GTX680 good bargains once they drop below $300. If GTX780 / 8970 are $500+ and are only 15% faster, most people would be better off picking up current high-end cards on sale/clearance. Then again the 15% faster of 8970 conflicts with 8850/8870 being nearly as fast as GTX670/680/7970. Surely something doesn’t make sense. AMD won’t have just a 15% difference in performance between 8870 and 8970. I am guessing 8850/8870 also won’t be as fast as 670/680/7970 then if these rumors are true.

  • http://videocardz.com/ VideoCardz.com

    Well I hope these rumors are not true, but S|A is usually a credible source for AMD news (not really for NVIDIA’s). AMD currently has a lot of problems, have you seen how much did their earnings decreased in this quarter? It’s all routed to bad management and decisions. So they actually have to revive their graphics cards offer.

  • BestJinjo

    I think most of that is attributable to CPUs, terrible Trinity APU execution and Opteron server side though. I don’t think AMD desktop graphics are doing poorly as HD7000 series is the most competitive AMD has ever been since X1900 series. I think the entire company is suffering from weak global economy (especially Europe) and AMD also has only 5% market share in servers and about 5-6% market share in professional graphics where most of the profits for NV are. I hope HD8000 series is competitive for the sake of competition and survival of the company. At the same time if next generation HD8970/GTX780 are only 15-20% faster than current high-end cards, I am skipping that generation for sure.

  • Jerome

    I dont see the point of even having a refresh if gains are only 15%, I mean my 680′s are great. I am sure Nvidia and AMD’s current offering can still hold value until next generations are ready.

  • MOSLER

    At first they’re told us that the GTX 780 will be based on GK114. Then they’re told us that the GTX 780 WON’T be based on GK114. And now they’re telling us AGAIN that the GTX 780 will be based on GK114! So, WTF?!

  • thodge84

    15% more awesome is still 15% more awesome.

    Unless you’re one who games at uber high rez, it’s not like you have games taking advantage of the 680/7970 GHZ edition.

  • Nigel Harris

    I’d rather both companies release new gpus rather non at all even if its “only” a 15% increase. A 15% increase on something that is already awesome (both AMD and nvidia) is welcomed in my book. These gpus are refreshes and not major new architectures designed to work in the same TSMC process.

  • MOSLER

    I wonder why people don’t like you and your opinion? I see so many votes down…do you know why?

  • BestJinjo

    Yet again, rumors contradict themselves weekly.

    Now S/A says NV will launch a GK110 based GeForce in 2013.
    http://semiaccurate.com/2012/10/15/will-nvidia-make-a-consumer-gk110-card/

  • mic08n64

    you stole my GK110 tip for the moderator, lol

  • BestJinjo

    I am just glad there might be a GK110 part as this GK114 rumor was getting on my nerves. I know NV can do better than that!

  • BestJinjo

    I didn’t know people don’t like me? I am ok if people don’t agree with my opinion but unfortunately they didn’t bother making an explanation. I try to be respectful on VCGZ site and offer an objective perspective.

    I am guessing they don’t agree with my statement that 15% performance increase is NOT impressive 15 months after GTX680 launched. Maybe they found GTX580/HD6970 refresh generations impressive but I sure didn’t. I saved my $ and skipped that generation entirely because I don’t upgrade unless the performance increase is at least 30%. Although with rumors that we might get both GK114 and GK110 I am a lot happier to hear we may see more performance than 15% increase from NV. Maybe I just have higher expectations from AMD and NV than a mere 15% faster more than 1 year later?

    The statement that I made that HD7970 and GTX680 will be better value IF next generation cards are only 15% faster is also something I still stand on. If GTX780 is only 15% faster (again if), then why pay $500 for that when GTX680 will be on sale for $350 by then? Even now HD7970 1Ghz is going for $390 on Newegg that would make HD8970 poor value at $500 if it’s also just 15% faster.

    Of course I don’t know if HD8970 and GTX780 will only be 15% faster, but since these are the rumors in this news feed, that’s what I am going with. If GK114 ends up being 15% faster than 680 and NV prices it at $349, sure it would be awesome. But when did NV price a flagship product below $500?

  • Anon

    Looks like 15% increase only for GTX 760. GTX 780 could reach 55% performance increase.
    http://www.3dcenter.org/news/ausblick-auf-nvidias-2013er-kepler-refresh-generation

  • Mhill2029
  • http://videocardz.com/ VideoCardz.com

    They just reposted 3Dcenter data, which is a pure analysis and speculation. I’m not saying they may not be right, but there’s nothing new there.

  • BestJinjo

    The article says it’s their “forecast/prediction”. Has nothing to do with reality. Last time they did this for Kepler and screwed it up completely calling GTX680 a $299 chip and GTX685 a $399 GK110. That was in February of 2012, just 1 month before Kepler launch and their forecast was like MILES off.