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September 29th, 2012

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Will Not Be Based on GK110 GPU

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Will Not Be Based on GK110 GPU geforce gtx 780
OBR-Hardware posted today quite an interesting information. According to the site, the upcoming flagship model of GeForce 700 Series will not be powered by GK110 GPU.

Well known and anticipated GK110, which will be installed on professional Tesla K20 graphics cards, will likely not be powering the GeForce GTX 780 (purportedly the fastest single-GPU card from GeForce 700 Series).

From what I have heard, the GPU that will be mounted on GeForce GTX 780 will not feature 2880 CUDA cores, but something between 2048-2304. I’m not sure what is this picture showing, but it looks like some iteration of GK110 GPU, maybe GK114? Well, let’s keep this post as short as possible, because everything else is a mystery for now.

By the way, I just bought the forums script. If you have some ideas how to configure the categories (hierarchy), write a comment below or email me.

  • Ultranist

    We really need badly a new gen of consoles so nvidia, intel and ati stop milking as for a few percents of performance :

  • skr13

    Like i previously say, 12 SMX for GTX 780, more than that will negatively affect Power Consumption.
    I believe GTX 770 will feature 1920 CUDA cores, which represents 10 SMX.
    So 2048 number is technicaly impossible to release.

  • JoBro

    Well Duh!! I don’t know why everyone thought the GK110 would be used in a consumer product for 500-600USD when its sure to be in limited quanities, and could be sold in HPC parts for 10x that price. It will proably be the GK114, which if it 2048-2304 CUDA core should still represent a pretty sizeable performance increase over the GTX 680, assuming TMU’s and ROP’s keep up. 2048 would be a 33% increase in shaders over the GTX 680 compared to the 25% increase in shaders AMD gets going from the 7970 to the 8970.

  • ISHAN

    Should I wait for next gen card . Is it worth waiting or buy Hd 7850 and think of upgrade after 3-4 yrs

  • Laguna

    I`m glad now that i got my GTX 680 in SLI… not much more performance out of GTX 780 comp. to the GTX680.
    And as i can see in this picture its gona have Samsung memory not Hynix.
    If they would put the GK110 in the GTX780 then i would think about because thats a monster of a GPU but as i can see its not gona be so….
    Well i will not upgrade this time. In games this days for one monitor one GTX 680 is overkill and i have 2 in SLI so i`m good till the GTX 800 or GTX 900 series.

  • BestJinjo

    That is actually very reasons. All those people who thought NV had special 28nm technology and that they could go to 1Ghz 2880 SP, 240 TMU, 384-bit chip with full compute functions of HPC GK110 part probably didn’t realize that would mean TDP of 275-300W. Also, since Kepler architecture is scallable, it would have made more sense to either go with a die harvest failed GK110 chips that didn’t pass the full 15 SMX testing for Tesla K20 part or design a brand new GK11x part without the compute aspects which would allow NV to keep the die size and power consumption manageable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ricardo.linhares.73 Ricardo Linhares

    I’ll not upgrade from a GTX680 (which was an upgrade from GTX470). At least, i can buy a second one 680 for sli when prices goes down a little. I’m not seeing big performance jumps to justify this. Besides that, from gaming, there are some few titles to extract that horsepower.

  • BestJinjo

    I’ve seen HD7970 dip to under $320 on Newegg. There should be nice deals towards the EOL of this generation. HD7850 isn’t fast enough to last 3-4 years. Your best bet is to find a sub-$250 HD7950 and overclock it or hope for a large sale on a GTX670.

  • skr13

    That´s a great deal for 7970, October may bring some interesting prices to me, like a $250 7950 or $300 GTX 670.
    Even $250 GTX 660 TI.

  • http://videocardz.com/ VideoCardz.com

    It’s a good source, regardless what people say. Sometimes he claims some facts, which turn few months later to be true, but no one really remembers that. Not to mention he posted here few comments with some specs, mostly those were correct too. Look at the picture, have you seen any GK11x GPU pictured? I have not. I have written about GK110 in GTX 780 many times too, but those are only rumors, just like this one. However after looking back on credibility of some sources I would stick with OBR statements.

  • BestJinjo

    Well the cut-down GK110 in the form of 12-13 SMX clusters OR some new chip in the form GK11x (say GK114) are both plausible. The problem is a cut-down 12-13 SMX GK110 means you have to start with 520-600mm2 die chip to begin with. If NV thinks it’s more cost effective to just scale GK104 into a GK114 by adding more SMX clusters and add 384-bit bus, maybe it can be done? If they start with GK110, they have extra compute capabilities that are not really needed for games, a massive die that’s more costly to manufacture. Right now NV’s AIBs sell GK104 for $400-500 a pop. 520-600mm2 GTX780 for $500 is a huge hit on profit margins for the firm then, unless they raise the price to beyond $650. Going with GK110 could result in an unnecessarily large die if its only 12-13 SMXs. Both theories make sense though since one can say the cost to make GK110 has already been absorbed and the cost of some new GK11x would need to be incurred to design a 3rd chip.

    Remember, none of us thought that after GF100/110 that NV would launch GTX680 as a 294mm2 gaming chip with 256-bit bus. At this point anything NV does it very difficult to predict since GK104 being used as a flagship already threw all common sense out the window of what NV may do next. It’s not a requirement to have a fast GTX780 by going with GK110 only. The Kepler architecture appears to be scallable in nature, up or down. :)

  • skr13

    FAKE FAKE FAKE… ORB bad job :)

  • LedHed

    even if it was GK11*, it would be pretty easy to have a picture of a GK110 chip off a K20 and white out the parts that prove it’s a GK110. The picture itself is pretty much meaningless, the source is what matters.

  • not a loyal fanboy

    Keep the website going good there bro.
    I always get the latest scoops here before browsing through other forums filled with text.

  • mic08n64

    With regards to Kepler, OBR has been pretty accurate and correct with his claims on performance, specs, and upcoming launch dates of all the Kepler cards. He was especially dead on about the surprising performance (at the time) of the GTX 680 compared to the 7970. In short, I agree with you that OBR is credible with this info, lol

  • nvidia ggce

    HD 8970 put into dust again ..aaah im fed up

  • http://www.facebook.com/TheHeartOfAsiaa Pratik Rawankar

    nvidia has only way to beat ati 8970 by performance is to skip 700 series and launch 800 series with gtx 880

    amd is the future

  • skr13

    ?? why we know some of info/rumors about HD 8970 specs, but almost none of GTX 780, why this non sense statement?

  • D.a.rkKNI._.ght

    Dude where have u been all these days…as far as i remember the gtx680 performed better than hd7970…after that ati released hd7970ghz edition which is only 5-10% better…at this point i dont even see many of those cards on market now so u cant saay that ati owned this generation & they are gonna continue in future also…note ati couldnt even release a dual-gpu card this generation…..

  • Jerome

    There is a very small market for dual gpu pcb, AMD is smart. The 680 was a little better but everyone sooned figured out that the 680 was leading reviews because of autoboost vs a stock 7970. So what happens when you overclock a 7970? I think we know the answer to that. Kepler is a flop this generation, this 28nm round belongs to AMD in both price and performance. The 8970 is rumored to be 40% faster with GCN.2.0 over the 7970, so that puts it ahead of the 780GTX. The thing is AMD can deliver it does not take them a whole year to get a line of cards out the door. AMD looks like their on their way to having an even larger head start for their next gen parts.

  • skr13

    Nvidia FLOP? what do you call AMD boost clock copying strategy?
    A FLOP was HD 7950 B, 7970 GHZ and Powercolor 7990.
    You may thank to Nvidia to be able to find good deals with AMD cards, their launch price was ridiculous.
    Nvidia mistake was taking much time to release their entire 600 line.
    Why we need GPGPU? Nvidia GK104 is a purely gaming chip and that´s what matters most, Tahiti in the other hand, put too much Compute power inside the chip for what?
    Pitcairn and GK106 are true competitors, even 7870 wins some times.
    Ha, and after those months there still people complaining about drivers or whatever, that simple can´t be solver by AMD, and not only in CFX systems, even lower end cards are affected.
    To sum up: Both on “teams” weren´t so good this generation.

  • BestJinjo

    Like GTX680 put HD7970 into dust? Why don’t we wait for both cards to lunch. NV lost the single-GPU performance crown this generation. HD8970 only needs to be 30% faster than 7970 GE and GTX780 would need to be 40% faster than 680 for them to be nearly equal in performance. 780 might beat 8970 by 15%. Dusting sounds like 9700/9800Pro vs. FX5800/5900 series or 8800GTX vs. 2900XT. I don’t see this happening since 7970 is a strong architecture to build from for 8970.

  • BestJinjo

    AMD had the market all to itself from Jan to March and then after 7970GE launched + Cats 12.7 it again regained the performance. Plus with overclocking 7970 or 7970 GE > overclocked 680 on air (outside perhaps the 680 Lightning that costs nearly $600). Both the 7970 and 7970 GE cost less than 680s. There are plenty of 7970 GE cards for sale on Newegg, not sure what you mean “how many of those cards are out now.” It’s fair to say AMD won this generation in price/performance and overall performance for single-GPUs, but it wasn’t by much. This is especially true since NV took more than 6 months to launch anything below $400. However, one can say that 670/680 owned AMD in performance/watt. So depending if you wanted to save some $ and end up with a slightly faster card, you went with the 7900 series (esp. 7950). If you wanted to play BF3, wanted NV drivers, PhysX, AO, Adaptive V-Sync and cared more for performance/watt, than NV offered the better options. It was a very close generation although for 1440/1600P, AMD took it no contest. Also, SLI scaling proved to be better than CF on average. The ace on AMD’s end was bitcoin mining which essentially made AMD cards free in North America over time. NV offered no such perk.

    As far as dual-GPUs go, I think that’s nearly an irrelevant market. Even the 690 is a waste of $. Most people would rather get 2x GTX670 4GB in SLI. Spending $1k on 2 cards that only have 2GB of VRAM sounds like a huge waste of $ when the 670 4GB SLI setup is faster and costs less.

  • BestJinjo

    Ya, pretty much. To me both companies have pros and cons this generation. I still think HD7950 offers the best bang for the buck this generation and NV really didn’t have any GTX460 or 8800GT style price/performance card this round, which is a shame. However, with bitcoin mining, that made AMD cards a no brainer for many people. Personally, I’d rather save $ for a faster SSD, Haswell CPU upgrade or for 2014-2015 when I actually have to pay the GPU myself. :)

    I just hope NV and AMD launches are very close together this time so we get some strong competition from the onset.

  • D.a.rkKNI._.ght

    was not it the case for dual-gpu every generation..costly & you can get similar or better performance by 2-way or 3-way sli ?al i was saying that this generation has no clear cut winner….7 about 7970ghz edition it is only avialble in USA or Europe only….in my country i can get hands on even 690 but no 7970ghz edition…

  • Jerome

    Intel Turbo Boost? Yeah dont act like Nvidia invented it! The 7950 is the best price/performance GPU period. So the Compute aspect of Tahiti is useless to you, but that does not mean the same for everyone else. The Tahiti architecture provides gaming performance besting kepler while providing massive compute power, its an allround performer. Nvidia drivers for the 600 series have been and still horrible for the 600 series, Vsync bug, Displayport bug even their current 306.23 causes BF3 to crash forcing a rollback. To sum it up AMD this generation has stepped it up Nvidia has lets us down with less bandwidth and no compute. Remember temporal AA and Truform ATI, monthly driver relseases many firsts with ATI/AMD

  • rob

    GK114 would have to be the EXACT same specs as GK104 as all GK114 would mean is a slighly improved GK104 chip. and there is nothing locked out on the GK104 and so they cant just magically add somthing to it.

  • skr13

    I didn´t say that Nvidia invented Boost feature, but AMD was desperate and released their boost in this generation without proper time for testing.(some days before 660 TI launch)

    Yes 7950 is the best Performance/Price right now, but with OC in mind, not 800MHZ stock clock…
    HD 7950 with 1.25V for 925MHZ Boost, which is in fact 850MHZ clock, this little “trick” give users a Higher Power Consumption more than GTX 670 or GTX 680 in some cases/reviews, more Heat produced for 5% superior performance. All of that stuff to compete with a Half Bandwidth and Half Memory Bust card:GTX 660 Ti.

    Compute is useless for me and major of gamers, thats a fact, like 3Dmark dont mean nothing in game scene or Furmark is a non sense power and heat producer.

    Nvidia drivers had some problems, i never say that they were perfect, but usually Nvidia correct bugs faster than AMD does, and AMD launch their lineup first so is expected to have better drivers at this moment, but won´t. There are several foruns with threads like AMD 7XXX freeze/crash, reboots, 100%fan , 3D to 2D clocks problems, black screen while gaming… problems that were familiar with HD 6XXX and previous and AMD simply ignore.

    Why so much Compute raw power, Bandwidth, Bus, Vram, if many popular games are Nvidia optimized like BF3, where GTX 660 Ti vs 7950 or GTX 670 vs 7970 Nvidia hardware wins and is more fps stable.
    Of course there are also AMD Games like Dirt Showdown, but try to compare BF3 community with Dirt…

  • BestJinjo

    How much are after-market 7950 vs. 670 cards and how much are good overclocking 7970 like Sapphire Dual-X, Gigabyte Windforce 3x, MSI Lighting 7970 where you are? All those hit 1150mhz usually. GTX680 needs to be overclocked to 1270-1290mhz to match an 1150-1160mhz 7970 from reviews. Usually 680 costs almost $100 more than the vanilla after-market 7970. Even if 7970 Ghz is not available where you are at, I bet 7970 still costs much less than 680s. In the US, 7950s are going for $280 and I can find 7970s for $340 in Canada.

    7950 925mhz for $280: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202006
    7970 925mhz for $340: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=67172&vpn=FX797ATDFC&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1210

    The cheapest GTX680 with quiet after-market cooling is about $450-465 in the US:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127672

    Bang for the buck, AMD took NV to the cleaners after June and in Europe (esp. UK, Portugal, etc.) prices for NV cards are outrageous based on the websites linked here by several members. In Australia and New Zealand, NV charges a huge premium for their cards too. I can’t think of many places where after-market 680s don’t have a $100+ price premium over similar quality after-market 7970s. Remember you can still buy a 7970 and crank it to 1150mhz. You don’t need a 7970 GE version.

  • Jerome

    Reviews go back and forth its pointless, you seem to only have one angle or view which is gaming. However we have to take into account the entire architecture and its capabilites. Now stock clocks vs no-stock? For the Kepler series there are no stock clocks rememeber “autoboost”, so we must compare overclocked Tahiti parts tot hat of Kepler parts it is the only way to be fair. Heat should not be a problem since there are too many aftermarket cooling and custom pcb’s out there, though Kepler consumes less power its still a hot chip. Nvidia has better drivers or fixes bugs faster in completely anecdotal, I have had issues with both companies. Crytek engine, Dirt 3, AvP, Metro, even HAWX performs better on AMD hardware with more stable fps. Big companies backing “AMD Gaming Evolved” are backing Radeon, Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, Hitman: Absolution and Medal of Honor: Warfighter
    http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/games-news/amds-gaming-evolved-program-snags-far-cry-3/

  • common sense

    - dude and where you’ve been ??? HD7970 was fastest card and than 680 come out and stole the crown. It took AMD just a bios update to get it back
    - and there is 7990 rewiew http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1561/pg1/powercolor-devil-13-hd-7990-graphics-card-review-introduction.html

  • BestJinjo

    We know what he means though. He just hypothetically called it GK114 but it’s the idea behind it: that NV may introduce a 3rd new chip in the family. Since Kepler is a scalable architecture (they did create a GK110 after all , what’s stopping NV from making a chip that fits in between GK104 and GK110 in side and specs?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/TheHeartOfAsiaa Pratik Rawankar

    hii brothers checkout my album with both gtx 660ti & hd 7950 dual x

    in crysis 2 game ati 7950 graphics looks dirty and gtx 660ti give solid graphics with tons of physics effects like blood from body and movments while killing and much more

    nvidia physics rocks where amd fails
    but overall performance of 7950 with heavy resolution amd is clear winner

  • skr13

    …Why people buy that expensive cards?? to see movies or internet only? of course that is for gaming mostly and some like to do benching. Kepler has stock clocks, look at gtx 660 TI, has 915Mhz clock, that jump to 980Mhz with boost, like 7950 B has 850Mhz which jump to 925Mhz with boost…
    There are other AMD cards like 7870 that don´t have boost, but i think that 1000MHz stock clock with boost will be pointless.
    Don´t forget that a aftermarket cooler solution for 79XX cost more than $50, which is relatively expensive, and even some of best coolers like MSI TF, Gigabyte WF, or ASUS DCII, make a considerable ammount of noise when cards are overclocked and voltage increased.

    Nvidia really has best drivers, you may had issues with both companies, but do a little search in the Internet, for example about GSOD, in 2010 AMD had promised to fix that problem, and we still in 2012 and many people complain about it.
    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/02/23/amd_ati_radeon_dongle_gsod_issues_addressed/2
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    http://www.overclock.net/t/1310654/amd-hd-78xx-problems-all-users-with-problems-please-post-here-we-want-amd-support-on-this-asap
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    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=368290

    Crytek performs better on AMD hardware?? only Crysis 1, look at Crysis 2, Farcry 2, both perform better with Nvidia hardware…Dirt 3, wrong, really shines on Nvidia parts, the Dirt Showdows as i previouly said perform better on AMD.
    Hawx…LOL, see that review: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4934/inno3d_gtx_680_ichill_black_series_accelero_hybrid_4gb_overclocked_video_card_review/index6.html
    Only metro and AvP were AMD “friends”…
    Yes AMD Gaming Evolved had promissed some partnership with games companies, but i need to see performance to talk…

  • common sence

    - LOL … what you smoking must be really good …
    - $50 more for aftermarket cooler really ??? there some links reference design http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161400 … http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131478 … and some aftermarket http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131458 … http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161407 … http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202003
    - “Crytek performs better on AMD hardware??” well 7970 Ghz edition … battlefield 3 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/9.html … crysis http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/13.html … crysis 2 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/14.html … dirt 3 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/15.html if you can notice difference in 12 fps where frame rate is over 200 lol and Nvidia favorite Batman: Arkham City http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/8.html
    - ” i need to see performance to talk” … it took AMD BIOS update not whole new series to get more performance but have to agree with you @ Tom Clancy’s H.A.W.X.2 but if you look into that article http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/11/4/batmangate-amd-vs-nvidia-vs-eidos-fight-analyzed.aspx?pageid=1 you would realise how Nvidia plays
    - like the part ” We have asked our “panel of independent judges” i.e. developers about this method to ensure objectivity of this article and in both cases our developers told us that the description above is a standard technique advocated to gamers by both AMD and nVidia. With the description above being explained to us as “standard”, it turns out that the code that was labeled “MSAA Trademark NVIDIA Corporation” was identical to the one recommended by both sides with one very important difference: nVidia’s code features a Vendor ID lock that allows for AA menu inside the game only if nVidia hardware is detected.”

  • skr13

    I don´t smoke, and rarely drink for your information.
    Yes, more than $50, look at Arctic cooling Xtreme 7970…$80, that is aftermarket cooling.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186064&Tpk=Artic%20cooling%20xtreme%207970
    Only crysis 1 perform better on AMD hardware by some margin, there are plenty of reviews, that shows that Nvidia cards has better performance in Crysis 2.
    I don´t give a damm about 7970GHZ, compare is power consumption to GTX 680, the definetly not in same league.
    Nvidia could release GTX 685, but for what? they have GTX 690, and where is AMD 7990 ?BF 3 7970 GHZ perform worse than GTX 670:http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_hd_7970_ghz_edition_review,21.html Ridiculous effort to beat GTX 680: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_hd_7970_ghz_edition_review,8.html173W(680) vs 228(GHZ)…LOLThis 2009 article is too old, we are in 2012. I remember many problems that AMD cards had with NFS Shift because Vendor ID, but a simple number change with notepad to a Nvidia card ID, solved AMD problems.It´s market, Nvidia plays with their cards, and AMD need to do the same, or will be another Intel vs AMD.

  • D.a.rkKNI._.ght

    @da3fc5ef2c300e60da042a3d79fc434a:disqus Oh yeah your common sense fails u then.ati couldn’t release their 7990 card so they gave their board partners to make their own cards….even the devil 13 failed to work when it as released & some reviewers gave them how to make it work only after that it worked….& about the bios update they are pretty much same thing as oc…

  • D.a.rkKNI._.ght

    @BestJinjo:disqus where i stay its pretty much same the rate of 680 & 7979…both costing around a little more than $600 because of the import fees & other things….& the lightning hd7970 goes around $700 …though the after market 7950 comes around $400 take or leave $20 while at the same price the stock 670 interesting fact is that the oced cards with after market cooler comes at only 10bucks more but the 4gb versions goes as high as stock 680 & 7970….i would still say that the saphire 7950 oced card(900mhz) is real cheap here & its the best bang for bucks…

  • Pioneer

    Hey you shity amd fan boy comin once again? Last time im crushing you down then you came back- congurlation- how many bench mark u need for crysis 2 max pain 2 or bf3 ?
    After all i said befour u compare world most noisiest card and hottest(even more than gtx480) vs most effcencient power card gtx680 ? 7970 ghz consump gtx690 dual gpu like and producing heat more than gtx480- But with this situation gtx680 clear winner in high graphic spec game like bf3 and crysis 2 :))

    Why. You dont talk about the power consumption and heat of hd7970ghzed ?before this in gtx480 era amd fans have nothing to say just talking about this problems and now they dont remember:))

  • http://www.facebook.com/TheHeartOfAsiaa Pratik Rawankar

    +1

    i have both gtx 660ti & hd7950

    gtx 660ti graphics quality is awesome and physics effect are wow
    while amd quality in crysis 2 are prototype 2 is dirty

  • skr13

    Thanks for your comment, this guy is so boring with his statements, and always skip problems that AMD consumers face with drivers/incompatibilities.
    7970 GHZ, 7950 B and Powercolor 7990 are worst cards this generation, in point of most aspects to evaluate a card, not only top performance matters…
    But AMD did good with 3GB Vram on high-end cards, that´s my opinion.

  • BestJinjo

    Wow, these prices are expensive as hell! Do you guys at least have higher resale prices for older GPUs then? This way if you buy a $600 GPU in 2 years you can sell it for $300?

    Also, you are saying prices haven’t come down yet over there? It’s pretty strange that 7970 still goes for $600. Does that mean before price drops a reference 7970 was $750-800?

    If you haven’t bought a card yet, at these levels, might as well wait for a clearance on this generation or just wait 6 months more for the next series.

  • Jerome
  • skr13

    Hard fan boy work, how much they pay you to promote their cards?I already posted my point of view of that subject, nothing more i can say, will contribute for this discussion.Continue with your AMD blind view, and be happy with that.I prefer the whole package view, Temps, Power Consumption, Drivers/Stability, Price, Innovate Technologies, Brand support, Optimized games, etc, there are many factors besides Performance summary.I had a AMD 5850 and hate it, because unstable gaming, after switch to Nvidia problems gone, even AMD sells cards for cheaper price, i won´t buy any of them, because i don´t want to pay for issues/problems.When GTX 670 drop price to $300, i won´t think twice and gonna pick one…

  • Jerome

    Funny because everyone here knows that your on Nvidia’s payroll, and that your the biggest fanboy top 5 I would say. Remember the mobile chipset disaster M8400 from Nvidia thousands of defective chips, the introduction to their GTX 590 went up in flames literally, and their current WHQL drivers cause BF3 to crash LOL. Now we come to the hottest card ever made “GTX 480″
    http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p520/sanjaysaini365/Nvidia_grill_zpsde664a3f.jpg
    The only thing that beats a 7970GHz is……..yeah an Overclocked 7970Ghz!!

  • skr13

    No, i´m not a Nvidia fanboy, but i hate AMD fanboys, they simply are “blind” with their arguments, and we were talking about this generation HD 7000 vs GTX 600, why you think i had a 5850? Because Nvidia offer wasn´t that great in my opinion GTX 400 generation.
    Mobile chipset disaster? LOL, don´t know about that.
    Nvidia correct bugs literally faster than AMD, that never corrects main problems, why i need a 7970 if a can´t play more than 15min/20min, and got a black screen… That´s horrible. Many complains about that over the web.
    The best word to classify 7970GHZ and 7950B are desespere.
    Hey where is 7990?? Compare Powercolor version with GTX 690 power efficiency :)
    To sum up, i just talk about facts, i don´t lie about nothing, and Nvidia don´t pay me a cent.
    Why you say everyone here thinks same as you?
    By the way my current card is Nvidia…G210..LOL

  • Jerome

    Dude the 670 has been the biggest disaster of this generation, there is a forum dedicated to this at EVGA forums Red Screen Of Death, horrible drivers support, the 7990 smokes the GTX 690 and its cheaper. If anythings its Nvidia who has been lacking in the driver department lately, you need to wake up!

  • Jerome

    The whole Kepler line is a flop! One year to get a line of cards out! Terrible drivers support! No compute! No bandwidth! The 7950 and the 7970 are the best highend cards right now Nvidia cannot compete with current AMD pricing or performance.

  • skr13

    You again? GTX 670 was best card, performance/price when launched, but Nvidia cards have value, not like AMD drop price strategy, used in both CPU and GPU department, when can´t compete with rival better hardware, just release a GHZ version and drop price further…
    7990 biggest fail ever, and price is about same as GTX 690, Nvidia has better drivers, EVGA could have problems, but that´s not Nvidia fault. AMD is second, in GPU and CPU, who wants better gaming rig, most of the times opt for INTEL CPU and NVIDIA GPU, less problems and conflicts.
    AMD drivers are really terrible, they really need to wake up… END for Converstaion!

  • common sence

    - typical Nvidia fan boy tactics go in AMD forum and look for issues ROFL

    - so if you go to Nvidia part you find people experiencing similar issues

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1308455/asus-gtx-670-freezing-during-games

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1308794/downclocking-issue-with-my-msi-gtx-670-power-edition

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1310513/gigabyte-670-problem

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1309773/crashing-issues-with-gtx-680

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1273812/gtx-670-sli-issues

    - so before you start calling people names and accusing them in being an ATI/AMD fan boy you should get both sides of story. As for saying Nvidia is the best you are a fan boy yourself LOL

    - hm… my 2009 is old what about yours that dates Feb 2010 http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/02/23/amd_ati_radeon_dongle_gsod_issues_addressed/2 LOL

    - you still angry at AMD because they did not fix your 4870 so now you are trully blind Nvidia fanatic

  • skr13

    If you call me Nvidia fan boy because my arguments/comments, you are also a AMD fan boy, due you comments, what more can i say…
    Yes, for me Nvidia is better than AMD, so as Intel, but all of my statements are facts, that AMD lovers can´t deny.
    Everyone can have their opinion/preference, but fan boy are “blind” people.
    I know that Nvidia take many months to launch entire line, 2GB Vram for flagship GTX 680 and Mid-range GTX 660 is “strange”, and their prices now aren´t so competitive as AMD, right now.
    So what you think about that?

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  • http://profiles.google.com/macca007 Shane Mc Grath

    AMD is the future you say?

    The way that company is going there won’t be an AMD, The ATI(graphics cards) division is the only thing keeping them going at the moment,Their cpu line up is being destroyed by Intels core architecture.

    Market share has dropped while Nvidia’s has increased.

    I use Nvidia cards myself(so far anyway) but I sure as hell hope AMD does not crumble, Bad news for all us consumers!

    I actually want AMD 8000 series to be insane, It keeps competition in check.
    Bring on the 8000/780 series as I just feel the last lot of cards from both camps was just a rehashed effort.