You need to wait for GTX 650 Ti :)

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GTX 660 is a excellent upgrade for people that came from 4xx series.

If 660 will go neck and neck with the 7870 why didn’t NV compare the 660 to the 7870 in the chart? Unless they plan to price the 660 at $199 and not $229.

Ya, that’s a fair point that they’d want to show 660 in a better light from a marketing point of view. The problem is HD7870 is 23% faster than 7850 and can be found for $225-240 in North America. So if this card is priced at $229, it’s a 7870 competitor since 7850s are $199 where I am at:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2012/test-amd-radeon-hd-7950-mit-925-mhz/3/

Zotac GTX670AMP, GTX660, and GTX660Ti pictured together.

http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad272/krysta_light/IMG02915.jpg

If these are Nvidia’s charts, that may be the case. I would love to see 660 under 200$.

Nice family photo. Interesting that GTX660 has more heatpipes than its older Ti sibling. Is GTX 660 a ‘warm brother’? :)

Not a good upgrade from GTX470/480 series, mostly in noise levels and power consumption. Both the 470/480 cards are excellent overclockers.

Everybody knows that GTX 660 is a 7850 competitor, but can reach 7870 levels, as GTX 660 Ti does with 7950.
Yeah, those NVIDIA or AMD marketing charts don´t mean nothing for me, Reviews from known sites are more accurate.

That’s because NV and AMD marketing slides = fail.

Also, NV is out of touch with reality for market pricing:

HD7750 = $95-115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Description=HD7750&x=0&y=0

HD7770 = $115-135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=HD7770&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=100

Therefore, HD7770 is the direct competitor to GTX650, not 7750!

HD7770 is 47% faster than GTS450 at 1080P http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7750_Low_Profile/28.html

Ok but GTX660 is NOT an ‘logical’ upgrade for GTX470/480/570 users. It’s an upgrade for GTX260 216 Core, 275, 280/285 owners who can’t afford higher end 660Ti/670 cards for example, or for people who are just building a new rig now and want a budget gaming card. If you have a GTX470/480/570, your minimum upgrade is going to be GTX670, overclocked HD7950 or faster. Who would spend 230 Euro to get 20% more performance after 2 years? The type of customers who bought GTX470/570/480 are high-end users. They wouldn’t touch a GTX660. That’s a completely different consumer.

This is the same thing as the HD7870. Yes, it is faster than the HD6950, but HD6950 users would be stupid to upgrade to a 7870.

What are you guys paying for electricity on Portugal per 1000 Watts per hour (1 kWh?) in Euro?

amd was much worse with prices :p they took full advantage of bein out earlier which nvidia would of done too but i cant blame nvidia for the crazy prices this gen amd set the standard, nvidias high end wasnt far behind 7970/7950 but damn the midrange is late

AMD didn’t set the standard. $500-550 GPU pricing has been the standard for ATI and NV since the late 1990s :)

The outlier is AMD selling cards for cheap during HD4000/5000/6000 series. HD2900/3800 series they failed completely. Also, the main reason AMD has been able to continue to sell cards at $300-450 is because NV no longer has any advantage in performance on the high-end. Both the 480/580 cards beat 5870/6970 but GTX680 cannot. Basically both companies screwed us: AMD took full advantage of margins by launching first and then NV underdelivered by failing to get GK110 out because they couldn’t. They delayed GK110 K20 to December 2012 even. They are having massive problems with that part. I expect AMD to repeat launching first at $449/$549 because I have a feeling GTX780 will beat 8970 (if it’s a full 15 SMX GK110). AMD is going to capitalize on making $ off early adopters just like NV did with $649 GTX280 and $599 8800GTX.

That is the GTX 660Ti actually, the GTX 660 is on the right and as you can see a single SLI goldfinger and 6Pin PCIe connector. Two copper heatpipes and core clocked at 1033MHz stock 1098MHz Boost.

BTW I seen GTX 660 user review. It’s close to 560 Ti 448 (better minimal FPS thought, and runs cold).

If you consider the 660 gtx the replacement for gtx 460, midrange stayed the same

The original article was published on an Hungarian site though they took it out later on. Following are the benchmarks they used for reference:

http://i.imgur.com/gFVp5.png

http://i.imgur.com/2K8Nj.png

0,12-0,14 euro / 1kWh in Poland

“Cards compete on price levels.”

Since when?

Sorry, your benchmarks on GT640 are way off. It’s an extremely slow videocard, 2x slower than HD7750. No way is a GT640 5x faster than what you have unless you are using Intel HD3000.

I hope you made a mistake and confused GT640 with GTX650Ti/660. If you want a good NV card, get a GTX460/560 used or a new GTX550Ti. GT 640 is complete junk at $99! Worst low-end NV videocard ever since FX5200.

http://techreport.com/review/23179/review-nvidia-geforce-gt-640-graphics-card/8

When you go and buy a car, do you cross shop a BMW M3 with a Honda Civic? Do you cross-shop a $500 videocard with a $250 one?

That’s the whole point of performance/price metric. It tells us exactly how much performance we are getting at a certain price. If HD7850 and GTX660 are priced similarly, they are direct competitors. If GTX660 is priced similarly to a 7870, then they are direct competitors. That’s basics of retail business strategy.

Then you have odd situations such as HD7950. It’s performance ~ GTX660Ti at a similar $300-330 price level but when you overclock the 7950 ~ GTX670 overclocked. Then we can say:

HD7950 has similar performance/price at stock vs. a stock 660Ti
HD7950 OC has superior performance/price vs. GTX660Ti OC or GTX670 OC

When you buy a videocard, you look at the Performance/Price metric, which is why it’s so useful for videocard purchases since it tells us how much $1 gets us in FPS. For energy use, you’d want to look at Performance/Watt. Then look at whatever features you want from a specific brand. If the features are more important than performance/watt or performance/price, buy a card that has the features you want.

It is preety bad. Average salary is about 3000 PLN (800$) per month and 1kWh is 0,50 PLN.
1$ USD=3.30 PLN
Imagine you have to pay $0,50 / 1kWh. In Poland you can buy 6000 kWh each month for average salary. Petrol costs are worst. PB 95 is 5,80 PLN/ Liter. It is 22 PLN per galon or 6,65$ per galon. In Poland you can buy 520 liters of petrol = 137 gallons for average salary per month.
That is the reason why our economy is growing. Electricity and fuel is comparable to other countries, while labor hour is preety cheap.
We may be fastest growing country, but it doesn’t change the fact that Poland is 3rd world country.
That is the reason why I want to change my powerhog 8800 gts for something new (28nm) with TDP<100W.

All of that is great, and what i see is people give me negative feedback/coments just because their square minds think that i´m defending some brand/company, what is not true, im more than 3 months with a shitty card(G210), after sold my GTX 560 Ti and didn´t buy AMD either NVIDIA, because their prices are to much for my wallet, and my electricity bill care, has a reason to be, and as everybody knows that politians are fuc*ing this country with austerity measures and buy a card now, to have to sell it in next months is not a good move.

Just wait 2 more days for benchmarks.

Ya makes sense. The electricity cost relative to the wage is expensive. At least you guys have some pretty girls. Half of America are fat girls bred on McDonalds cheeseburgers or Starbucks frapuccinos and dunkin donuts. Once they get married at 23-28, they fall apart shortly. Can’t have it all I suppose.

I’m a proud owner of 8600 GT. I played on it without problems Supreme Commander, Risen, Civ V, Mount and Blade, ME3, Skyrim (BTW I played with ini and managed to improve that XBOX360 like graphics to reasonable level, considering Skyrim is CPU bound it looked wonderfully) Assassin Creed 2, Two Worlds 2, HOI3, Snow Sakura, and The Genius of Sappheiros. Things that didn’t work that well were Risen 2, and Dark Souls.
So the 5x faster is correct. http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=674&card2=513

Used cards? What for? They would work 2 years and break down, when you would be lucky. That’s too pricey for me. And GTX 550 is a crap, I would rather take GT 640. Yes it’s slower but cheaper as well, and I could place it into another PCI-E slot and use it as a secondary card later. Or Asus GTX 560 SE, it’s leap and bound above GTX 550 Ti, it has 1.5 GB RAM, it’s faster in CUDA, and doesn’t eat much more electricity.
I returned Gainward GTX 560 few weeks ago because I was forced to have PSU out of case and upside down, to be able to run it for more than 12 minutes in Furmark. Yes it was partially my fault because I placed 900 RPM fan into PSU, and didn’t have time to replace it with more brutal alternative, and I only later remember I removed fan from CPU, thus I had a bit more powerful fan available. Then again Gainward is known to be allergic to any modification of its cards (who knows how these fans would look like 2 years later), it had DSUB (are we in the last millennium?), and it had only 1 GB RAM. I was fine card for CUDA, anime (1920×1080 10bit per channel), and for warming house. However, that 50 Watts smaller consumption, with 6xx card, can be useful later. Basically I know I need twice as much performance than GT 640, thus a 768 core card would work for me, as long as manufacturer will not void the warranty for minor modification. On the other hand I can use a GT 640 like card as a stopgap (it would be fine for about 2 years), and combine it with buying a Seagate Constellation HD.

would like to see a chart of 660 vs 660ti but thanks

gtx660 running a little better at 560ti level is somehow a good performance increase considering its the 4th card in the nvidia lineup. 560 (non-Ti) is the gtx660 (also non-Ti) equivalent from the previous generation. so just let the price wars begin… consumers will win… if they can price gtx660 near 180 in the next few months then i might get that ^_^
and hey ive seen some benches that have 660 sometimes beating 570

I looked at market prices and I see Gigabyte 660 cost less than Saphire 7870, it also cost less than ASUS HD7850-DC2T-2GD5-V2, and Gigabyte 7870 ultra durable.

New egg: cheapest 660 is EVGA for 225 which is followed by four cards for 230.
Cheapest 7850 is Saphire, which has ONLY 1GB RAM for 180. Cheapes 7850 with 2GB RAM is Saphire for 190.
Cheapest 7870 is surprisingly Asus for 230. (Is it a result of the price drop.)

So if you seen some cheap 7870 cards, then it was most likely these pre GHz editions, which is not manufactured anymore and sellers tried to get rid of cheaply to… …maximize profits later.

Current price of 660 can be explained by taking advantage of day one buyers, 7870 price can’t. I guess sellers would take advantage of both cards having benchmarks and prices extremely close together. Even when Nvidia and AMD would drop prices, because of manufacturing efficiency, retailers would happily keep them up to maximize profits.

So take your pick AMD, or Nvidia. You’d pay a lot anyway, and as for performance, you’d get what you pay for : $/performance = constant. I guess Intel/AMD on die cards had its influence, what was stratified market with a clear differences between cards, and sweet spots, changed into more homogeneous market where $/performance tends to be constant for middle and high end cards.