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September 3rd, 2012

(Update) GeForce GTX 660 Is Faster Than Radeon HD 7870, Costs $229

UPDATE: The MSRP should be  $229.

TweakTown once again gave us a pre-release peek on upcoming NVIDIA’s graphics card. The GeForce GTX 660 (non-Ti version) would feature 2GB of memory along with new GK106 GPU. Is this configuration worth $249?

While two previous leaks about GTX 660 gave us a small heads-up about it’s performance, the TweakTown’s preview might be more trustworthy. They released a new 3DMark11 Performance Preset result with some interesting piece of information — while the card is faster than Radeon HD 7870, it would only be slightly slower than HD 7950. Those 3DMark11 comparisons can give us a basic knowledge about it’s real performance, because this particular model will surely lack some speed as resolution goes higher — that’s due to shorter 192-bit memory bus.

But it gets even more interesting when we compare the results to the previous flagship — GeForce GTX 580 — where GTX 660 is outperforming it by few percent (Update: well that was true only in 3Dmark, GTX 660 is slower almost in every game, but take the fact that their game-list is not very impressive under consideration).

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GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit

This non-Ti variant of Kepler-based model brings a new GPU to the whole line-up. While it’s not officially confirmed, we assume that the chip would have 960 CUDA cores and 24 ROPs. The card is clocked higher than the Ti version – 980/1033 MHz for base and boost respectively. Some leaks suggest that it might require more than 150W when overclocked, so as the reference model features only one 6-pin connector, there might be custom-designed models with more connectors.

According to TweakTown, the GeForce GTX 660 would cost $249. Card will be released on September 12th.

Update

TweakTown posted a full GeForce GTX 660 Review.

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Final Thoughts
NVIDIA’s GEFORCE GTX 660 isn’t the dominant force that we feel the other GTX 600 series based video cards have hit us at during launch. Performance overall is extremely strong, but when we refer to the “dominance” that we’ve seen from the other models, the GTX 660 looks like it will hit at a price point near identical to the AMD Radeon HD 7870 and ultimately offers performance that is near identical to it.

The GTX 660 isn’t going to cause the headaches for AMD like the other models we’ve seen. If the price point was in the lower $200 range or performance was overall maybe 10% faster than it would cause problems, but the price it’s going to hit at that level and the performance it offers, it’s ultimately sits perfectly against the HD 7870.

This is good news for AMD as they finally get a little bit of a break it seems as no doubt the last few months have been extremely stressful as NVIDIA ultimately beat AMD at their own game which consists of being more aggressive on the pricing side of things.

We’re going to see partners offer pre-overclocked models at a slightly higher price point which in turn will help boost performance, but we’ve also got these options from AMD and its partners, too.

The one thing we really just need to find out now is the overclocking potential of the new model as that could be what ultimately separates the two models apart from each other. As always, though, that’s something we’ll be taking a closer look at soon enough. Stay tuned for that.

Overall the GTX 660 is just a really good video card that looks like it will come in at a really good price point. The HD 7870, though, is also a really good video card that comes in at a near identical price point. Of all the model battles in this generation of cards, the HD 7870 / GTX 660 is the closest thing to a coin flip when it comes to deciding what to buy.

  • Merdiso

    I don’t know about these 660 (Ti) cards, they may perform well now but I’m not sure how they will manage to keep up with 7870/7950/7970 when more demanding games will be released, 2GB/192-bit is not a lot, although Nvidia drivers are still better when comes to getting the best performance possible out of their cards.
    250$ is a decent price, although 660 Ti was also beating 7950 on TweakTown review, but in most release date reviews on 1080p it was usually equal to it.
    I assume 660 ~ HD7870 is a fair assumption, but given the 250$ price Nvidia doesn’t come with something big, a 240$ price would have been OK.

  • uiii

    good good i i !

  • uiii

    This is nonsense and the price of the video card .. I’d rather buy myself something more than a piece of card for 250

  • tbschen

    TweakTown.. better wait some days for other reviews, their game selection is meh and the results usually see nVidia in favor of AMD (not saying they’re pro nVidia on purpose, it’s probably the way they review), the actual performance usually is a couple of percents below TTs charts.

  • skr13

    This card has a reasonable performance to play any game 1080P without AA, and like i said some days ago, is better than GTX 570 and reach GTX 580 levels.

    Im curious about power consuption, if will be like 20W less than Ti version.

    The bad thing is the price, because Custom OC version from AIB´s gonna cost about $260-275 which is too much for tiny OC advantage cause 192-bit BUS.

    This Nvidia 600 series has a problem for future proof, 680/670/660Ti/660 all of them has 2GB Vram, and that doesn´t make sense, if they can put 2GB instead of 1.5 in a 192-bus, they could put 3GB Vram in 670 and 680, like AMD does with 7950 and 7970. I know exist 4GB Vram, but they are overpriced and 3GB is sufficient.

  • bloman

    the amd cards have a bigger bus but lower clock so the bandwidth difference is pretty small. 144gb for nivida660 and 153 for amd7870. no idea how well the amd7870 ram overclocks tho.

  • cheapo

    there are low end cards for a reason. nobody is forced to pay 250 for midrange cards.

  • http://twitter.com/deeree2009 Dee

    I agree with you. I think this is two expensive for a midrange GPU, especially since the GTX 460 768 MB was $200 at launch (got mine for $175 at launch). I’m surprised it’s priced that closely to the 660 Ti, considering all the other Kepler cards are $100 apart

  • BestJinjo

    Waiting for a real review with modern games and MSAA. Tweaktown’s review of GTX660Ti was nothing like what the rest of the press released later. They showed GTX660Ti going head-to-head against 7970 and in the real world it struggled to go against an 925mhz 7950 with MSAA.

  • BestJinjo

    Exactly, when 3dCenter compiled 12 professional reviews, GTX660Ti was only as fast as an 800mhz 7950 and lost to a 7950 after-market / GPU Boost versions. It’s good to see more competition but NV is 7 months late. By this point my mind is focused on GTX700/ HD8000 series :)

  • MOSLER

    Yeah…TwekTown’s reviews recently looks REALLY suspicious…can I trust it?..Somebody should investigate it…(ு८ு)

  • http://www.facebook.com/FwixGamer Anas Azghari

    TweakTown reviews are not pro , just pass those infos
    and also if the price gonna be 250$ then better to buy HD 7870/hd7850 for price/performance because as we know GTX 660ti = HD 7870 in the high resolution + AA check this reviews
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-benchmark-review,3279.html
    http://www.hardware.fr/articles/873-21/recapitulatif-performances.html

    also fo those how compare the GTX660TI with the hd 7950
    http://hardocp.com/article/2012/08/23/galaxy_gtx_660_ti_gc_oc_vs_670_hd_7950/2

    so in my opinion this gtx 660 is replacement for the GTX 560ti 448core/gtx570 but the price is high because of the amd concurrence .
    (u can get an HD 7850 anc oc to 1250-1300 gpu /1500-1550 memory the u have a HD 7950 for less money
    check this : http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7850_RoyalQueen/31.html )

    but if the gtx 660 is a roxxer in OC (oc more than the other gtx 6XX) then yeah the pric is okey

  • TonyTamasi

    660ti equal 7970 3dmark and equal prise 7950
    660 no ti equal 7870 3dmark and equal prise 7850 (220 dollars)

    This formula is valid in 3dmark. it works!

    660 noti will cost 210-220 $ in OC edition Gigabyte

    650 will equal 7770

    This is real true !

  • BestJinjo

    GTX660Ti is about 10% faster overall than the 7870, but 7870s prices have fallen dramatically lately. Unless this 660 card is $199-219, I don’t see it being a game changer. That’s the problem. It’s 7 months late and HD7870 is already priced low enough. By this point we are past the mid-point of this generation. Even if 660 is as fast as the 7870, that’s not changing much for the GPU landscape at this point. I’d much rather see price drops on 660Ti/670/680/7970 cards.

  • BestJinjo

    3dMark11 is not a game though, so who cares what the 3dMark11 scores are. GTX680 beats GTX580 by 50-60% in 3dMark11 but in the real world games it’s just 35% faster overall. You say 660Ti = 7970 in 3dMark11 but in games 660Ti = 800mhz 7950 only:
    http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2012/test-amd-radeon-hd-7950-mit-925-mhz/3/

    This is why I stopped using 3dMark since 3dMark2001 when it was actually cool. When I first started building computers I was a total noob and thought 3dMark actually meant something. Then I realized, it’s only good for GPU overclock stress testing. :)

  • zeus

    but what it is then?

  • common sence

    i see you like play benchmarks … well there you go http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4298782 LOL

  • hey

    This card has same performance of HD7870 and same price of HD7850. Good. :)

  • Nick

    3GB 384 bit bus>2GB 192 bit bus

  • Raghar

    How many times did he answer? I still waiting for a hint about, if GTX 650 Ti exist, and if it would appear month after GTX 660.

  • Lyzerk

    just ordered a HD7870…

  • JoBro

    I Don’t buy it this time either. TT claims that Nvidia hates them (and won’t give them review samples), then releases a review that is overly favorable to Nvida’s product days before its release and before more reputable sites can provide reviews with more level testing standards. All TT’s article does is hype the GTX 660 as a HD7870 and even a HD7950 killer before interested buyers can do their own research by looking at multiple reviews. And it also helps Nvidia define their pricing to customers. I saw this with GTX-660 Ti, where TT’s “Pre-NDA” review (which also claimed Nvidia had black-listed them) had the 660Ti trouncing the HD7950, when in reality (based reading numerous other reviews on different sites during the actual release) it is closer to HD7870 and the GTX 580. According to Tom’s Hardware the HD7950 (pre-boost) beats easily the 660TI in most games (other than Nvidia favored games) and it is not close to the GTX 670 either as TT’s article claimed. So, this time like before, I’ll take the TT article with a big grain of salt before deciding if its really worth forgoing the HD7870 which currently already available for as low as $249.99 (plus rebates taking it to 229.99) on Newegg.

  • BestJinjo

    Looks the price is $229, that’s a lot better than $249.

  • BestJinjo

    What version/brand?

  • BestJinjo

    What do you think a reasonable price for a videocard? $50-75? I think you are better off getting a used HD6870/GTX560Ti then.

  • BestJinjo

    1300mhz overclock on 7950! Impressive. Water?

  • http://www.facebook.com/quinnfitz Quinn FitzGerald

    well, i agree that 2GB 256 bit bus > 2GB 192 bit buss lol………

  • not a loyal fanboy

    wow the MSRP is closer to 7850 than I thought ….. but the 192bit is turnoff

  • common sence

    nope Sapphire OC on air with 1.350v and fans on 100% a bit loud but temps does not go above 70c hehe… but for gaming 1100@1600 lol

  • Lyzerk

    MSI TwinFrozr edition,GHZ

  • BestJinjo

    Let us know how you are liking it in terms of noise levels and the level of performance based on what you expecteD :)