I can only hope what is said in this article is true about release. I’ve been waiting for the GK110 to replace my aging 480.

This thing will be a beast !

Geez, I was thinking I’d upgrade from 560ti sli’d to something with Dx12. Guess not.

Now I bet the GTX 780 will be more powerful than the 8970 20 at least. GK110 is a beast.

Maybe I’m asking too much, but I just want a $400-430USD card that will run Battlefield 3 and 4 at 1920×1200 on Ultra/Max everything with 4XMSAA with a minimum frame rate of 60.

DX12? Not for another 3-4 years before that even starts to become relevant in games. DX11 has hardly taken off. Expect 5 years of DX11 domination, if not more, especially since PS4/720 next generation consoles are DX11.

HD 8970 20% slower than 780 based on what? Hopes and dreams i guess. ( AMD >< NVIDIA )
Nvidia next flagship card should follow same performance increment and will be about 30% faster than GTX 680.
I think 15 SMX with 384-bit Bus will make the card very power hungry compared with current GTX 680 8SMX-256bit, even with lower clocks.
Some guys talking about DX12, why if DX11 has more room to improve? Some of today games still use DX9 option, or DX10.

Hd7970 with 2048 core has 33% more core count vs gtx680 with 1536 core- absolutely hd7970 was 384bit and gtx680 still 256bit- so we see gtx680 much faster than in synthetic test and bf3 or crysis2 and elite games(not freky gemes like sniper or dirt showdown). If hd8970 has 2560 core so nvidia easly compete with this by 1920 core (33% lower core count) which means it need to 10SMX ready to work + add 384bit memmory interface)- ithink 15SMX easly compete with hd8970 cross scaling not need to compete with single one- this competition is unfairly :)

I prefer to play video games, seems some people prefer benching tools like 3dmark or unigine, that didn´t represent real performance in gaming scenario.I don´t like 7970GHZ neither 7950B, because power consuption and noise, but the actual price drops made by AMD gonna catch many consumers, some of them change Green to Red, because Nvidia didn´t lower prices.And of course Cryengine and Frostbite are Nvidia friendly. I always buy a GPU based on performance/watt/price, and don´t care if is AMD or NVIDIA.

Wow, you are Crysis fan? Me too, but Crysis 2 wasn’t as good in my eyes as the first 2 games. I have to see how good the next generation is. I keep upgrading every generation but will it be worth it next round? I love the new hardware but eventually I need the games to push it.

There is also a way to fix frame-rate in eVGA Precision X and Adaptive Vsync on NV can help the game run smoother even at below 60 fps.

The game Crysis 3 wont have as much tessellation as the Unigine does, right now Cryengine 3 runs a little better on AMD hardware. You say you a little disappointed in this generation of hardware in some scenarios the 7970 and 680 beat out last gen flagships in dual setups while using considerably less power. A full 15 SMX setup is amazing, the 670 has taught us quite a bit about Kepler even though some SMX units were disabled it still performed very closely to the 680.

What are “Elite games”? I didn’t know we should only look at BF3 and nothing else. BTW, 680 loses in Batman AC, Skyrim, Arma II Day-Z, Witcher 2, Metro 2033, Crysis 1, Crysis: Warhead. I consider all those great games!

The extra 3-5 fps it gets in Crysis 2 at 1080P will cost you $100-150 extra over the 7970 Vapor-X. No thanks!
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/graphics/msi-n680gtx-lightning/05_crys2.png

3Dmark11 is useless garbage. According to 3dMark11, at 1080P, GTX680 is 59% faster than a GTX580:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_7970_Toxic_6_GB/24.html

Yet in games, GTX680 is just 30-35% faster than the GTX580. LOL @ 3dMark11. It even doesn’t work when comparing 2 NV card from different generations, nevermind AMD vs. NV. Only noobs who just started PC gaming use 3dMark11 to extrapolate gaming performance. There are no games that we play which use “Futuremark game engine”. That’s like me running Unigine Heaven 3.0 and using that to extrapolate how HD7970GE destroys 680 – but I would never say that because I know Unigine Heaven 3.0 is worthless as well.

All I care about is how videocards play games not synthetic garbage.

Im thinking to buy reference cooler EVGA gtx 660 Ti, it´s cheaper, and if i can´t deal with noise/temps i can switch to Arctic cooler Twin turbo II.
Nvidia are better with drivers/profiles for new games and cryengine 3 runs better on Nvidia, when talking about fps flutuation, between min/max, where sometimes AMD makes a choppy gaming experience, causing Frame latency.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/23419/9
For me max fps don´t count very much, smooth gaming is better that fps drop all the time.

AMD fail drivers history again and again:
Dragon Age 2: http://www.ocaholic.ch/xoops/html/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=823&page=7
Summary: http://www.ocaholic.ch/xoops/html/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=823&page=11
Consume:http://www.ocaholic.ch/xoops/html/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=823&page=9

Almost in every test, no improvement with new 12.8 over 12.6, drivers, sometimes are also worse, and the more interresting fact is the card(7970) with new drivers, consumes 19W more on LOAD.

Im still waiting to Nvidia drop GTX 660 Ti to 250 EUR in September.

skr13, I am trying to help you pick a better card. I am telling you not to get the 660ti. It has problematic MSAA performance and there are degradation issues with after-market 660Ti cards:

GTX660Ti Performance Oddities Investigated
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/56432-gtx-660-ti-roundup-asus-evga-gigabyte-galaxy-msi-21.html

How much more expensive is GTX670 over there? See if you can wait for a deal on the 670. You waited this long to buy a 28nm generation card and HD8000 series is probably not too far away. At this point, try to find a sale on a 670 card!

660Ti is the worst card this generation at least based on prices over here. It costs 30-40% more than HD7870 and offers just 10% more performance, and compared to 7950/670 it can’t handle MSAA. I’d wait for a deal on a 670 if I were you. 660Ti honestly is not a good card.

You don’t even need to think about Crysis 3 with a GTX660Ti. Crysis 3 will mop the floor with that card. Trust me Crysis 3 will use very advanced DX11 features that even GTX680 won’t handle on its own. You don’t want to “future proof” on a GTX660Ti that has just 24 ROPs and 192-bit memory bus. You keep worrying so much about 30-40W of extra power but you forget that the performance delta between a GTX660Ti vs. 7950 vs. 670 OC is 20% in favour of the 7950/670 camp. There is a reason that 660Ti is so criticized over forums.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/08/23/galaxy_gtx_660_ti_gc_oc_vs_670_hd_7950/3

660Ti is just terrible value all around. Also, I bet you run a modern Core i5/i7 system and have the CPU overclocked? That draws at least 50W more power than a stock Core i5.

The link you showed me with power consumption uses FurMark. That’s not a realistic way to measure power consumption.

Here is an actual game, Crysis 2, peak power consumption:

HD7950 = 144W
GTX660Ti = 146W
GTX670 = 152W
GTX680 = 186W
HD7970 = 189W
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_660_Ti_Jet_Stream/26.html

There you go. Not much difference between the high-end cards for someone who uses an enthusiast desktop that already draws 300W! It only gets bad if you start overvolting 7950/7970 to 1.25V, which is irrelevant for any good after-market 7950/7970 part.

I know you want to go with NV, which is why I keep telling you to wait for a deal on a 670.

Thanks for care about my choices :)
Sometimes people call be NV fanboy, but you know thats not true, and after so many conversations with you i think you are not a fanboy like some people say, just ignore that, like i do.

GTX 660 TI is a good card, but for 250 EUR segment, for me a 300 EUR card needs to be more future proof, like GXT 670.
I know GTX 670 will be a better deal for me at least for 2 years, but this waiting is killing me.
When Nvidia gonna drop prices?

The recent price drop for 7870 is really appealing, besides that 7800 mounting holes are 53,2 x53,2mm which is compatible with my old Arctic Xtreme Plus.

I don´t like AMD pricing strategy, decrease price the day after GTX 660 TI comes out just because they can´t suck any more consumer, even if GTX 660 Ti is a little weaker.
And 7950B or 7970 GHZ are desperate card´s IMO, if AMD realise that can´t be in 1st position on CPU and GPU market, just need to launch their products at lower price, even if isn´t a direct competitor in the moment, because like troll_hunter say, people feel that pays too much for what they get, i already told about a friend that had a 7870 for $350 and sold it for $150 to buy GTX 670. Only a desperate will pay $350 for a 7800 8800 Midrange card.

But Nvidia need to drop prices a bit, for example GTX 660 Ti for $250/275 is more fair, comparing previous generations Midrange NV cards. Another problem is them take much time to release all serie, and 690/680/670/660Ti are all GK104 with some cuts.

But of course AMD is necessary for competition in CPU/GPU market, they need to roll back to 4000 series prices, where flagship 4870 lauch for $300.

What is the current best graphic card ? and which one is better for single monitor @ 1080

Hoooooray!!!! are you serious? because I will do as you say :D

I’m kinda hardcore fan of Crysis

All I care is ROME 2 TOTAL WAR :D

You really don’t know NV’s history then. They launched GTX280 for $649 and GTX260 for $499 and then dropped prices to $499 and $399 when AMD launched HD4870 for $299 barely a month after launch.

Need I remind you that ATI absolutely destroyed NV during 9700Pro/9800Pro/9800XT and X1900/X1950XTX eras? GeForce 5 was a pile of crap when DX9 games like Half-Life 2 launched. GeForce 7 was useless when shader intensive games like Tomb Raider came out. NV had a strong showing with GeForce 6 and GeForce 8. This generation they are worse in performance and price/performance. They also provided budget gamers with nothing at all from $100-$350 price range until GTX660Ti last month. That’s pathetic! If a GTX560Ti owner wanted to upgrade, there was nothing for him to buy. Shows how much NV cares about you. The GTX670 SLi is amazing but everything else in their current line is an overpriced pile of crap that can’t overclock and falls apart at 2560×1600. At 3x 1200P gaming, HD7970 GE Crossfire is just 10% slower than GTX690 x2, while saving you $1100. NV value FTW!? Ya sure!

You are also not making any sense because when HD7970 launched it offered 20% more performance than a GTX580 and cost $550 for 3 months before GTX680 launched. If you want top performance, you gotta pay. That’s always how it works with technology (see 8800GTX, GTX280, 6800 Ultra). Also, you keep talking about resale value, but AMD cards make $ on the side and have been since HD4000 series. So really you don’t have an argument at all since if you bought AMD cards all this time, every upgrade has been free with bitcoin mining. That’s value!

I buy NV and AMD because I buy the fastest cards but AMD has been killing NV in price/performance for ages now. HD4850/4870/4890 all provided way better price/performance than NV’s parts that generation. HD5850 launched for $269, HD5870 for $369 full 6 months before GTX470/480 dropped for $349/$499. Are you kidding me? You are like delusion because when AMD launched first, of course they commanded higher prices because NV had no competing products.

If you want to wait for price drops on new technology, it happens with both NV and AMD. The fact that you hate AMD’s products already means I can’t have a reasonable discussion with you. You are a hardcore fanboy so buy what you want. When AMD goes bankrupt, you can go back to $600 8800GTX and $830 8800GTX Ultra days. LOL! Good luck to you. Your logic is bullet-proof like most typical NV fanbois who screamed that GK104 is mid-range and then went out and dropped $400-500 on a product that they themselves claimed to be mid-range!

And BTW, HD7970 even at $550 from January 9th still is the fastest single-GPU this generation because it overclocks! So even if you bought it at $550, you got this generation’s top performance @ 1200mhz overclock and made $$ bitcoin mining every single month since January. You wouldn’t know these things since you don’t buy AMD products though.

You sound like a typical AMD hater. I wish both NV and AMD well but I don’t shy from criticising either company if I see they screwed up. GeForce 5 and 7 were absolute trash. GeForce 6 and 8 were excellent. GTX200 series was awesome but overpriced. When GTX280 launched for $649 and then dropped to $499, less than a year later AMD gave us HD4890 for $269 with the same performance. So if you were dumb enough to buy a GTX280, next year you couldn’t sell it for even $250.

You are simply a fool and a blind, die-hard AMD fanboy. That’s all I can say.
Answer my questions first!
Did I ever say nvidia offer the best bank for the buck card?
Did I even talk about any performance comparisons like you?
Did I say AMD’s products are bad or did I say those are good?
Did I ever talk about which one overclocks well or which is not?
Did I defend nvidia or intel through any performance arguments?
Did I said I will never buy an AMD products?

You are one hell of a downright idiot and AMD’s A$$ follower. I can see that through your arguments.
Go and read your comments again and hey fool, see what you have done there. Your comment like a 5 year old child’s cry! Go to a rehabilitation centre first.

Firstly I am not a beggar like you with a tight pocket to wait and check out for which brand offers the product that gives best bang for the buck. I don’t like to play the waiting game. I will buy a product whenever I think, I will keep it, if I enjoyed it. Otherwise through it out and buy a different one. You better shut your mouth.

I only talked about their business practices and pricing strategies. I never talked about or compared performances. I said, I don’t like to feel like I’m cheated. The point is as simple as that.

You said ”
When AMD goes bankrupt, you can go back to $600 8800GTX and $830 8800GTX Ultra days.”.
I don’t care who goes bankrupt or who goes to the top. They are not my brothers or cousins. They are simply business people. No one there is doing a charity work or no one there is caring the customers. They only think how to make big profit that means how to suck out people like your hard earned pennies out. I simply don’t care about to pay $600 or even $1000 for a product. That’s why I bought i73960X. I know it is not a product for the people who search for value and it is no brainer for them to buy an i73XXX or i7 3930K. But I bought that and I know it’s price will never come down from $1000 until another top of the line cpu is released (even that is from intel).

And you said ”
BTW, HD7970 even at $550 from January 9th still is the fastest single-GPU this generation because it overclocks! So even if you bought it at $550, you got this generation’s top performance @ 1200mhz overclock and made $$ bitcoin mining every single month since January. You wouldn’t know these things since you don’t buy AMD products though.”
This simply shows how die-hard fan you to defend AMD like it is your family company. The answer for this “quote” is already there above your comment. I don’t know why the hell you mentioned this.
OK I bought 7970 for $550 and runs it at 1200mhz but it’s still a $550 card. Where another person bought an 7970 for $430 in July and runs it at same $1200mhz but it’s a $430 card. I don’t like to get that feeling. You get it?
And you said it will still be the fastest GPU. OK, this is where my point is. If that is the fastest card to date, why was there a need for a price drop? well that is even a steep price drop? (Look at i7 3960X price, it’s dead still at $1000, even though it has the competition of its own like i7 3930K & i7 3770K)This is why I don’t like them. This is why I hate them. The people working there are crazy, they don’t know how to run the business. You may tell me, they dropped the price to sell more GPUs. But the may sell more but they can’t get the profit. If you don’t know what i am talking about, which I think you will, wait and see their next (Q3 financial results) and compare it with nvidia’a and intel’s. So how could nvidia(with hugely over-priced products) to earn much more profit than AMD’s? You know nothing about business. coz you are a child talk these all about.

You little child these think are too much for your age. You better go “your mom is calling”.

Overclocked GTX 670 or HD 7970 GHz. Of course, in MP, everything is a lot more unpredictable…